Leptospirosis vaccine?

by Natalie
(Round Rock, TX)

Hello, I am a proud new owner of our Coton de Tulear named Tyler. He is currently 14 weeks old & we are blessed to have him in our lives. When we acquired him from the breeder, she strongly suggested we not give him the leptospirosis vaccine. I guess she has had a few families report back to her that the dogs had seizures after being administered the lepto vaccine.


My vet thinks we should think about giving him the vaccine. I would appreciate any feedback/information anyone may have in whether or not we should get him vaccinated for lepto. Thank you for your help!

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May 27, 2015
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Re leptospirosis vaccine reaction NEW
by: Anonymous

I debated myself whether to give my 7 month old Coton de Tulear the leptospirosis vaccine this past spring. A few things to consider:
- Is leptospirosis common where you live? (It's more common near some cities and tends to be more frequent in wooded areas. it is carried by rodents, raccoons etc who then spread the disease
- Is you dog the type to drink from a puddle? Does he/ she go swimming in lakes or streams?
Based on the above, you with guidance of a good vet should be able to assess likelihood of exposure. Though note some vets may unnecessarily push for vaccination

My dog is the type that would drink from puddles despite my attempts to stop him. Leptospirosis also common where I live despite living in the city vs country there are a lot of raccoons which carry the disease so I went for the vaccine.

It is 2 shots on the first round and my Coton had a mild allergic reaction to the first shot ( extremely lethargic, not wanting to eat or drink (except plain chicken stock ice cubes) and shivering and swelling at site of injection site. Watched him close and told vet and we gave antihistamine shot before the booster and second reaction was much milder (Mildly lethargic) though I watched him carefully for 24-48 hours after both sets of shots

Mar 12, 2013
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by: Vicky & Jonah (Az)


Leptospirosis immunity is only good for six months following vaccination and some vets recommend only high-risk dogs receive the shot.

Read more: Side Effects of Leptospirosis Vaccine for Dogs | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6592966_side-effects-leptospirosis-vaccine-dogs.html#ixzz2NLm2ZfFF

Mar 12, 2013
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by: Gale

Thanks Phyllis for sharing your story. It's hard sometimes to know the best thing to do, so the more information we have the better. Glad your Coton is okay!!

Also, thanks for the feedback on health insurance. It's good to hear from someone who's had a good experience. Wish I had signed Luc up before he was diagnosed with allergies since I don't think any insurance company will cover pre-existing conditions.

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My dog contracted Leptospirosis NEW
by: Phyllis and Sadie

My little Sadie did not get the Lepto vaccine with her puppy vaccines because my vet never mentioned it and at the time, I didn't ask because I didn't know anything about it.

But at 9 months old, she somehow contracted Leptospirosis and it was awful. I do take her out off leash to parks in the area, and one time I "caught" her drinking water from a puddle. I always do my best to stop her from drinking from any water on the ground, but as you know, dogs are very fast, and if they are off-leash, it is even more difficult to stop this behavior, especially on a rainy day. This may or may not have been where she contracted this disease, but she came down with a fever, stopped eating, and ended up in the hospital on an IV with fluids and medication, X-rays, Ultrasounds, and blood-work for 5 heart-stopping days! Because it is a disease that can be transmitted to humans, I even had to wear gloves when I visited her in the hospital. When she was finally released, I had to keep her isolated from other dogs until a Liver Panel resulted in normal readings. It was REALLY awful during this entire period.

It was when Sadie was in the hospital that I learned about the Leptospirosis Vaccine. The hospital staff asked me if she had been vaccinated for Lepto. I said "no", but was understandably upset that I didn't know about this vaccine earlier.

Thankfully, Sadie's care was at one of the best Animal Hospitals on the East Coast -- Boston's Angel Memorial Medical Center -- and she received outstanding care and fully recovered with no lingering problems. I recently had another Liver Panel done when whe received her 1 year vaccinations and she is totally cured, active, beautiful and lovely. AND THIS TIME I DID ask my vet (also at Angel Memorial) about the Lepto vaccine. She said that the vaccine is not recommended for small dogs because they have more frequently been known to go into Anaphylaxic shock following the injection. This allergic reaction includes diarrhea or vomiting, rapid heartbeat, cold limbs and a fever. Seizures and trouble breathing. In extreme cases, cardiac arrest can result.

So, I am still undecided aobut the vaccination and told my vet I needed to do more research before I decided to expose Sadie to the possible consequences of this vaccine. In any case, if I DO decide to give her the medication, I will ask for Benadryl first, and also stick around the hospital for awhile afterwards to make sure she doesn't go into shock. BOTTOM line? I still haven't made up my mind but knowing the consequences, I am more likely to want her to be vaccinated.

By the way, I know it isn't in this post, but I am fortunate enough to have pet health insurance for Sadie and it paid 90% of a $5,000 hospital bill. I did a lot of research and love this company. You can find them at healthypawspetinsurance.com.

Good luck to all of you and hope you don't have the experience I had with my beloved Sadie.


Mar 07, 2013
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by: Vicky & Jonah (Az)

My post on most vets now only giving the DHPP I am referencing dogs ovr. the age of 1 after they get their 1 yr. rabies & DHLPP. I apologize I spaced out the age of ur Coton.

Mar 07, 2013
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by: Natalie

Thank you very much for all the feedback on the Lepto vaccine! My vet says she submitted a question to whatever online vet forum she uses when asking other vets their opinions/experiences about administering the vaccine to Cotons & didn't hear anything negative back. She says it is up to me, but does recommend it.

We live in a master planned community right outside of Austin, TX. We do have the manmade ponds/water features in our community but not any actual lakes near our home. We don't plan on camping or hiking with him in the woods. He will pretty much go for walks in our community & make an occasional visit to a dog park.

Right now I am leaning against it, but will do more research. Thank you for all your help!

Mar 01, 2013
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by: Vicky & Jonah (Az)

Most vets do not include the leptospirosis in the vaccine anymore. It used to be classified as the DHLPP shot. Now it is called the DHPP (distemper, hepatitus, parainfluenza, parovirus) shot which is to be given yearly. Then rabies every 3 yrs.

This disease is mostly spread in the urine of an infected animal. Rats mostly but can include cattle, sheep & wild animals. It also can be spread to humans when handeling a sick dog. In humans it is called Well's disease.

Mar 01, 2013
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by: sherry cotton candie

When we bought Cotton the breeder told us this type dog should never be given anything with the lepto in it. She said to ask and be sure the rabies shot contained none of it......Our vet has been great but some of the discount shot places do have lepto included so we stay away from them.

Our girls are never in lakes or off the leash unless they are in a secured fence area so I do not worry about it being a problem for them.

I would not take a chance with it but if your vet says its ok I guess it would be up to you. I know all dogs can be different in their reactions to things but I would not take the chance......Have you checked with other coton breeders to hear their input?


Mar 01, 2013
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by: Anonymous

We live in a neighbor where our house borders on 26 acres of woods that contains many fox and other animals.

Our vet said that unless there is standing water on our property where fox or other animals could urinate, then it was not necessary. When we got our second dog, we changed vets for no other reason than our first vet was rather far away. So I asked the new vet about the vaccine and she said the same thing.

Our dogs are under control in our yard. They are never let out alone. They chase many animals away from the yard through the woods and so far we have had no illnesses nor has anything shown up in blood work related to this virus. So I think it depends upon where you live and what activities you do.

When our Coton, Molly, was given the 3-year rabies vaccination, she had a neurological reaction that needed to be controlled with a antihistamine type medication. Hope this helps.

Feb 28, 2013
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by: My 2 Lake ozark swimming cotons

Our vet suggested the lepto for our two pups in 2012. They were administered twice about a month apart in 2012. They have just had the first of the 2013 round and we have had no reactions. First time they were 7 mo. And 2nd time 19 mo.
My dogs are in the lake off and on all day in the summer. They leap off our dock, swim to shore, jump n the pool and run back onto the dock. They boat with us and take the occasional jet ski ride with my sons. I do split up all their vaccines. They are little dogs and don't need to get over boosted like that. I also have my vet give them a shot of Benadryl. I did 2 rounds on their annual this year and came back for their 2nd round two weeks later.

Feb 28, 2013
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by: Anonymous

I had a great conversation with my NEW vet about this after my old vet admonished me for questioning him about the necessity of this vaccine. She said that small dogs in particular can be prone to an allergic reaction to the lepto vaccine. She said that if we wanted to get it, she recommended giving our pup a Benedryl prior, and then waiting at the vet's office for awhile after to make sure there was no reaction. I thought it was a very reasonable, well though out process. She also told me that lepto is very rare in our area, but that there was a breakout in the neighborhood a couple of years ago. I didn't give Bailey the vaccine this year, because she's still so little and so young, but I think at her one-year appointment, I might do so. I suggest having the discussion with your vet about these options. If he/she is a good doc, they hopefully would be willing to discuss more in depth!

Feb 28, 2013
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by: Debra

My little boy received 1 of these years ago. Since we don't frequent lakes or creeks, the vet said it wasn't necessary. The holistic vet we just started seeing agrees.

Feb 28, 2013
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by: Mary Ann

Our vet gave our coton this shot after asking if he will be playing in lakes or creeks. We have a lake house so we said yes. No reaction from it. Just had the rounds of shots for this year and still not reaction.

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Caution about shots for your Coton de Tulear

by Kathy
(Canton PA)

This is not a Coton de Tulear question but it may help someone...

When I took Triscuit for her 2 year rabies shot and DHP shot I almost lost her because she went into shock and almost died. I called the Vet when I got home to tell her Triscuit went outside and collapsed in the snow. I took her back to the Vet and she gave her an IV.

She came out of it fine, but I never knew that those shots can cause such an allergic reaction. So for anyone who takes your pups or cats to the Vet for shots, make sure you watch them closely because it could be a matter of life and death.

I am sure it isn't very common, but just keep a good eye out for untoward effects of medicines.

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Jun 10, 2012
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by: Gale

Susan, how scary. Thanks for sharing - so glad your dog is okay!

Jun 10, 2012
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Coton vacine reaction
by: Susan

We took our l 1/2 year old Coton to the vet yesterday for his shots and just as we were getting ready to leave my little guy (Thomas) started crying and acting funny. When I picked him up his eyes were all pink and swollen and he was in obvious distress, my vet immediately gave him a shot of something to counteract the symptoms as well as a benedryl shot and stayed with us while we all kept an eye on him. Fortunately within a few minutes the symptoms started to subside and before we left had completely diminished. My vet immediately made a big huge notation in the computer and on the chart to only give him one shot at a time in future so we can see which of the 3 shots Thomas had reacted badly to. My vet also suggested that in future if I was bringing him for a shot I give him a 1/2 tab of benedryl prior to the visit. I am just grateful that this occurred while in the office so immediate action could be taken. He still a little "off" today, didn't finish all of his food this a.m. but does seem to feel a lot better and doesn't have any swelling at all. So fellow Coton owners please be advised to do only 1 shot at a time even if it means extra visits to the vet, it's not worth taking a chance.

Apr 07, 2011
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Conjuntivitis in Coton's
by: Anonymous

Our Coton, Spencer has had numerous problems with Conjuntivitis, One's so bad that his eyes were swollen shut. He had to be on antiobiotics and prednisone. He has finally not had one in 6 months ! But his right eye now weeps and discolors his hair around the eye ! We have also found he is highly allergic to flee and tick meds, sea water,some antiobiotics, and some shampoos, and beef. The vet seemed to think of these as the cause. I believe it was the flee shampoo and the Flea and tick meds. He also broke out in huge cystic lesions all over his body from it. They are now gone too !

Apr 05, 2011
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I feel so lucky
by: Anonymous

After reading these comments, I feel very fortunate that my Murphy didn't have a bad reaction. I am going to mention this to his vet the next time I see him, though. Murphy is his first & only Coton de Tulear, so he should know about this. We have had a couple other issues, though. Conjunctivitis & more recently, a bacteria infection. (He has quite the delicate stomach.) Both have unknown origins. Everything is good now. Thank goodness! I get so upset when he's not perfectly happy. :)

Apr 05, 2011
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Allergic to shots
by: Anonymous

My Coton also had a problem. Not as severe. She was throwing up and had diahrea and was just miserable. I ran her to the emergency vet and, oddly enough, she was better when I got there. I later found out that the adrenaline from NOT wanting to go to the vet again helped her reaction. They gave her corizone (?) I think and she was better. The fix: She now gets a mild steroid injection before her shots, and she doesn't take the multi-shot, they are separated. More pokes for her, but she's fine.

Apr 05, 2011
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by: Carol

I don't remember what shot knocked Maxine out but one of them did..My husband had to fight with the vet to NOT give more than one shot at a time.

They do over vaccinate and these little guys are just able to handle that.


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Anaphylactic reaction to a triple vaccine
by: Sevi

Hello fellow CDT owners,

Our 11 weeks female Coton de Tulear, Tyche, had an anaphylactic reaction due to a triple vaccination perfomed by the vet.
We went there for the first repetitional vaccination following the one of her first month. Our puppy had an anaphylactic reaction a minute after the shot. Likely, we were still at the vet's and they've put her in oxygen as she become all white in her gums due to low blood pressure,she was also paralized and lethargic. They also gave her a reboost shot with a drug similar to adrenaline. We were really scared and we decided that from now on she will be having one shot at a time. It's a matter of seconds before worse things occur and do not wish my puppy to go through this again.

Her symptoms are best described at the following link: http://www.pet-informed-veterinary-advice-online.com/vaccine-side-effects.html#reaction-five

It's good to know so that we are all aware of unexpected and unpleasant surprises.




Apr 04, 2011
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by: Anonymous

Our Tika also got very sick after his last round of tests. he was vomiting and very lethargic. I searched out some help and was told by our breeder that vets often over vaccinate.
we will be better prepared next time.
Triscuit is a cute name :0)

Apr 04, 2011
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Shots
by: Khloe

I took my Coton puppy for her third set of puppy shots and the rabies. Hours later her skin turned red and her eyes were swelling...........the vet told me to give her a half teaspoon of liquid benadril.....by the tome we got to the vet she was doing much better....scared me to death.

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Question about the Canine Dental Vaccine

by Dee
(Floral Park, NY)

My Vet has talked me into getting our Coton de Tulear, Spanky, the Canine Dental Vaccine. I can't seem to find any current info on the web for this. Has anyone else heard about it? Has your vet recommended it? Has anyone had it for their Coton?

Still debating on whether or not to go through with it so any insight would be greatly appreciated.

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May 15, 2011
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Oral health
by: DIane

Its suppose to stimulate the animal's immune system to kill the three bacteria associated with periodontitis in dogs. Along with the shot you are still required to brush your pets teeth. There isn't enough evidence based on clinical trials to say it works. I am a vet tech and we do not offer the shot. We highly recommend owners brush their pets teeth and/or use additives you put in the water that helps maintain oral health. I own a coton and he gets his teeth brushed twice a week and I give him 1/2 a CET chew every night after dinner( they help keep his teeth clean as he chews them and he LOVES them). He has great teeth and he's 7. Its not hard to brush your pets teeth- use a small toothbrush made for dogs or a gauze pad and your pinky finger. Be sure to use toothpaste made for canines!

May 15, 2011
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Dog dental care
by: Gale

Is Spanky having dental problems? Small dogs like the Coton are sometimes prone to dental disease which can be very dangerous - heart, lung, and kidney damage can occur as a result.

There are many options to care for your dog's teeth, so I'm wondering why your Vet wouldn't opt for those instead.

The fact that you're asking the question indicates that you don't feel comfortable with it. If Spanky isn't having dental issues, maybe you should hold off - at least until you feel confident that it's 100% safe and that there aren't better alternatives.

Let us know what you decide and how Spanky's doing.

May 15, 2011
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DENTAL VACCINE
by: KATHY

HI
AS WITH LYNDA, MY VET IS PRETTY MUCH OLD SCHOOL TOO. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY A DOG WOULD NEED A DENTAL VACCINE? I AM MOST HESITANT TO GIVE TRISCUIT ANY KIND OF MEDS OR VACCINES THAT REALLY ARE NOT NECCESSARY SINCE SHE HAD A REACTION TO THE 3 YEAR RABIES SHOT. ALSO, TUFFY AS I REMEMBER HAD A REACTION TO ADVANTIX. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS HEARD OF THIS. NEXT SATURDAY I WILL BE TAKING TRISCUIT TO THE MUTT STRUTT HERE IN PA AND THERE WILL BE A FEW MORE VETS AROUND TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS TO,SO I WILL TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE MORE INFO ON THAT THAT I CAN PASS ON. KATHY AND TRISCUIT

May 15, 2011
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I am interested
by: Lynda Owen

I have not heard of such a thing either, but that doesnt say much. The Vet i go to is old school and isnt one of the newer high tech places, but practices based on his 30+ years in the business. I suppose this is the down side to that, so any info you get i will appreciate hearing. Good luck, lynda

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Does my Coton need vaccines?

by Leigh

My groomer requires that my dogs be vaccinated before they get groomed. I know that the rabies shots are required, but some are not. How do I know which vaccines to give my dogs and which ones they would be okay without having? A friend to told me that there were vaccines that the dogs didn't even need. Is that true, or false? What should I do?

Thanks,
Leigh, Sophie and Daisie

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May 26, 2012
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Vaccines my 2c worth
by: Iris Miller

ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION!!
I would never advise a human to not vaccinate their baby, and never advise a pet owner not to vaccinate their dog or other pets.
The first dog I rescued was back in 1964 from the humane society, he was a mix breed boxer. This was before they had a vaccine for Parvo virus.My poor six week old puppy Beebee was so sick the first week I had him, he almost died. It started with him having bloody diarreah and vomitting up blood.He was shivering and sick. He spent almost two weeks in the vet's office being treated with antibiotics and hydrated. Why anyone would even consider not vaccinating for this and other deadly diseases, many also transmittable and deadly to humans as well, is beyond comprehension. Even if you never let your dog near another animal, a random flea or mosquito can bite them and transmit a disease.
If you read back a ways, you'll see that my poor little Coton Tuffy had a terrible case of Lyme disease a couple of years ago and was on antibiotics for a month. So stop worrying about how much money the Vets make, ( I agree, it's way too expensive)and if you are really not able to pay the Vet fees, there are always County run free or low cost clinics.
So, that's my 2 cents+worth opinion. God Bless our Cotons and keep them well.
love,
Iris & Tuffy Coton
P.S.. BeeBee boy dog was with our family for sixteen years, he was a wonderful and loyal friend.He was a great baby sitter out on the patio watching and guarding my babies in the stroller.We loved him dearly.

May 25, 2012
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DHPPV series
by: Vicky & Jonah (Az)

This is only one shot & vets carry diff series #'s. Ur rabies (3yr.) @ a clinic price costs $18.-$20. The DHPPV series (annual) described below covers approx 7 diseases & costs the same as the above rabies shot price.

May 25, 2012
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DHLPP series (annual)
by: Vicky & Jonah (Az)

This vaccine covers kennel cough & all the immune system boosters for visits to the dog park + about 5 more diseases.

May 25, 2012
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by: Anonymous

As a former groomer and now a vet tech I highly recommend the kennel cough vaccine if he is going to be around other dogs at the groomers or at a dog park. Kennel cough is treatable but it is hard on dogs. As far as the distemper as long as he has had his puppy shots and at least a 1 yr he should be good to go. I had my cotons titers tested for distemper to make sure they are high enough to protect him and to stop giving the shot. Rabies is usually required to protect both your dog and the groomer. I believe in less the better as long as your puppy is protect from the diseases.

May 25, 2012
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Vaccines
by: Vicky & Jonah (Az)

Vaccination Scheldule
At 5-8 weeks = canine distemper-measles-CPI

At 14-16 weeks = DHLPP (distemper, hepatitus, lepto, parainfluenza, parvovirus) & RABIES

At 12 months & annually = DHLPP
At 12 months = Rabies

At three year intervals = Rabies

DHPPV,DA2PPV,DHLPPV,DHPPV-C,DHLPPV,DHLPP (known under all these names) sometimes called (5in1 or 7in1)= ANNUAL

Go to this website for ref. to abbreviations for the ANNUAL DHLPP http://ezinearticles.com/?Guide-to-Common-Dog-Vaccines----DHPPV,-DA2PPV,-DHLPPV,--C&id=872947

Scheldule taken from "Dog Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook" by Delbert G Carlson,D.V.M., & James M. Griffin, M.D.

May 25, 2012
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Vaccines
by: Kirby's Mom

I hate vaccines and I found a groomer who feels the same way. She doesn't get her dogs vaccinated and doesn't require dogs she grooms to be either. There's a new dog park opening up near me and I'd really like to take him but they require a list of vaccines for your dog. As long as your dog is vaccinated up until the age of 2, he/she should be good for life. The vets say otherwise because they want you back every year. It all comes down to money.

May 25, 2012
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Vaccines
by: Mary Ann

Our vet asked several questions regarding where our Coton would be playing, swimming, etc. and told us the vaccines he recommended. Kennels and groomers will most likely want them to have a pravo shot sometimes know as kennel cough. Enjoy your pup!!

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Yearly vaccinations for adult Cotons

by Pam
(Gold canyon, Arizona)

Recently purchased a 6 yr old male coton from a breeder in Tucson, Az. She said she had just got him neutered, microchipped and had his rabies vaccination. I asked her about Tuffie's yearly vaccinations and she said that she doesn't vacc any of her dogs after their full series of puppy shots. She said most coton breeders choose not to vaccinate because they build up their own natural defenses. She says she gives all of her dogs their rabies shots every 3 years but said that most breeders do not vacc because they can develop illnesses.

She said that once humans receive their vaccinations they are not vaccinated any more because we build up immunities. She gave me the tags that have the rabies virus number on it and placed them in the folder with all of Tuffie's papers. Are most reputable coton breeders against yearly vaccinations? Do they give the vacc themselves or do they have the vet do it?

We have had Tuffie about a month now and he is simply wonderful. Doesn't play with our older Scottish terrier mix who is a female but they just coexist and we love them both

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Mar 03, 2013
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by: Vicky & Jonah (Az)

I still am interested in the breeder in Tuscon. I have talked to a couple on the phone that help w/info. I am certainly not asking becuse I feel their decisions on shots are wrong.

I have read both sides of the arguement & feel it is a personnel decision of the owner. I just like to keep up to date on local breeders besides what is brought up on the web and the opinion of the purchaser. How long they have been w/Coton breed etc. Does she breed just white or multi colored also?

I did not see at 1st where u lived in Az. but I see now u r about 1 hr. away from us. Even thou Cotons r rare we have another lady here in Bellair that has a male Coton where her family breeds them in NY who goes to the same dog park & lives around the corner from me. So weird.

Mar 02, 2013
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by: Anonymous

To best protect your dog have all 1st year shots then every year after have a rabies shot and a "titers" blood test which shows if you dog still has the levels of immunity needed. This blood test is how we can protect our pets without unnecessary drugs. Google and you shall find many studies that have been done that say we are over-vaccinating. That is why the "titers blood test" is recommended, to make sure they are okay.

Mar 02, 2013
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by: Lisa

It is becoming more commonplace as more people become educated on this. You can google lots of studies done that show most animals are still covered years later. The best way is to have a yearly "titers" blood test done at the vet. This will show if your dog truly needs more vaccine or if the body is still protected.

Mar 02, 2013
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by: Vhonda in the UK

hi there... I think its up to the individual... not too sure how it works over there, but here in the UK you have to have all there jabs and yearly boosters up to date to have your pet insured so maybe check with your insurance broker!! have a great life with you little coton de tulear xxx

Mar 01, 2013
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by: Vicky & Jonah (Az)

I vaccinate Jonah w/his DHPP (distemper, hepatitis, parainfluenza, parvovirus) yearly which is recommended.

Now I know some folks that their dogs never leave the house & are never around any dogs. Except the ones that live in the house which they do not vaccinate yearly.

Jonah & I walk, visit dog parks & friends will visit w/ their pets. I have all my life w/my pets then again they always have done more then stay in house.

Talk to ur vet before u make the decision not to. Maybe the breeder always keep the dogs in house & yard area. So she did not have any outside disease coming in.

Who was the breeder in Tucson. R u here in AZ. Congrats on ur new puppy.

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